On Jul 3, 9:47=A0pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:30:05 -0700 (PDT), petzl wrote:
> >On Jul 3, 9:00=A0am, k...@maths.uq.edu.au (Ken Smith) wrote:
> >> petzl writes:
> >[Snip]> >In the Preamble Debate on the Constitution in March, 1898,
> >South
> >> >Australian delegate, Mr. Glynn is recorded to have said: "I beg to
> >> >move: That the following words be inserted after the word
> >> >'Constitution' (line 2) - "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty
> >> >God..."
>
> >> Note the date -- 1898 -- at which these words were inserted, compared
> >> with the claim three paragraphs earlier that it "was no last-minute
> >> afterthought", with a reference to 1885.
>
> >> [rest of rant deleted]
>
> >The 1885 reference was from Sir John Downer QC
> >The Federation debate ran for years and Australia would of become
> >still born if the decision to not become a Christian Nation demand by
> >our constitution was not put to the people
>
> >Australia's Constitution demands *ALL* Australians rely on the
> >blessing of Almighty God - the Christian God, whose compound
> >redemptive Name is *Lord Jesus Christ.*
>
> You are full of shit. Christianity is shit.
Absolute fact that Australia is a Christian Theocracy
> >If people wish to not be Christian they are simply renouncing
> >Australian citizenship
>
> The religious views of the Founding Fathers are of great interest
> to propagandists of today's American right, anxious to push their
> version of history. Contrary to their view, the fact that the United
> States was not founded as a Christian nation was early stated in the
> terms of a treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 under George
> Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797:
>
> As the Government of the United States of America is not,
> in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has
> in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion,
> or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never
> have entered into any war or act of hostility against any
> Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no
> pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce
> an interruption of the harmony existing between the two
> countries.
>
The USa is also very much a Christian Nation
Don McCain next USa President to be states this also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9izhjnaLa3M
http://tinyurl.com/3wsbj7
Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 was not in the Arabic version signed
After which Tripoli declared war on the United States on May 10, 1801
The reason it was hastily draughted was because Moslems were
attacking
USa Ships and it was rumored that Benjamin Franklin was a hostage, as
well as a number of crew from American merchant ships
Article 11 is a skeptical dud that proves nothing about the founding
principles of the USa and says nothing about to what extent
Christian influence has shaped it's people or government
Petzl
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Australia is a Christian nation, Australian society is based on
Christian values and on Christian principles.
We have nothing to be ashamed of in stating that.
We have nothing to be ashamed of in our Christian heritage and
Christian achievements |