Deadrat wrote:
> "Bill Bonde { ''Free OJ, no more time for him than the guy who brought
> the gun'' )" wrote in
> news:48EACEF9.1501C9A1@yahoo.co.uk:
>
>>
>>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>
>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Free OJ, no more time for him than the guy who
>>> brought the gun'' )" wrote in
>>> news:48EAA8E7.6C870B52 @yahoo.co.uk:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Free OJ, no more time for him than the guy who
>>>>> brought the gun'' )" wrote in
>>>>> news:48EA6D16.98FD3D12@yahoo.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Rennie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Punishment is supposed
>>>>>>> to be useful for those that live. It is supposed to teach them
>>>>>>> not
>>> to
>>>>>>> transgress again or they'll get punished again. But as I
>>>>>>> posted above I don't take a moral stand on capital punishment -
>>>>>>> I'm a pragmatic abolitionist. I think it's antique and it
>>>>>>> places the US
>>> on
>>>>>>> the bottom rung of so called civilised countries as well as
>>>>>>> being a great waste of money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think you've addressed how it does give another level of
>>>>>> punishment which would discourage people from killing all the
>>>>>> witnesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Post your proof that the DP "discourages people
>>>>> from killing all the witnesses"
>>>>>
>>>> It's pure logic.
>>>
>>> Just like astrology.
>>>
>> You mean astronomy.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> If there is nothing worse that can happen to you
>>>> beyond life in lockup and what you've already done warrants life in
>>>> lockup, why not do whatever you can to minimize getting caught, why
>>>> not kill all the witnesses and burn down the hotel?
>>>
>>> By your "logic" executing states would have lower
>>> murder rates than those that don't. Trouble is, just
>>> the opposite is true.
>>>
>>> Facts one, Bonde zero.
>>>
>> You always claim victory even though you haven't won. I didn't
>> claim that states that have the death penalty have lower murder
>> rates. I actually said it was far too complicated for that. But
>> plainly if you have another punishment beyond just life in prison,
>> you can motivate people who have committed crimes that would give
>> them life not to go further. If you can't see that, I cannot help
>> you.
>
> "Plainly" if *you* were contemplating a capital crime, then the
> thought of a potential death penalty would motivate you.
How'd that work "motivating" Timothy McVeigh, eh?
> People are generally not in a logically contemplative state of mind when
> they
> commit murder.
You got any evidence, whatsoever, for this assertion?
>If you can't see that, then there's no help for you at all.
If you can't even provide a logical argument that death is a "penalty"
compared to Life without Parole locked in a cage, every minute of
every day of every week of every month of every year of every decade
for the rest of your life, then your argument lacks cohesion.
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