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Subject: Re: Penalising downloaders Posted on: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:13:43 +0000 (UTC)


"Cynic" wrote in message
news:oklft3p67r4afj6t3ea3d20mri73sothav@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:07:03 -0000, "Norman Wells"
> wrote:
>
>>> I'd say that I
>>> discard at least 90% of the stuff I download, either by physically
>>> deleting it or by "archiving" it in a directory that I'm never likely
>>> to access again.
>>
>>Oh no, that doesn't wash with me. If you delete it after one listen, I'd
>>say OK. But there's no reason to archive stuff that you never intend to
>>listen to again. If you do archive it, you should pay.
>
> I'm a digital hoarder. I have HDDs that have not been spun-up in
> years. I keep things "in case they come in handy" - knowing full well
> that it is unlikely that they ever will.

Just like your collection of CDs then, on which you have paid royalties.
Where's the difference?

> I've still got about 50
> programs for the Sinclair Spectrum on cassette tape. But I don't have
> either a Spectrum or a casette player.

Are you sane?


>>> Well, I'm a coffin-dodger, so naturally the sort of music that I like
>>> is prehistoric and long out of production.
>
>>I wonder if you've actually tried to find it. There are huge back
>>catalogues available now through legitimate sites where you pay per track.
>>Unless your tastes are unbelievable esoteric, I frankly don't believe you.
>
> Definitely out of production, but may still be available to buy from
> somewhere. No, I've not looked too hard. Occasionally I'll recall a
> track from my youth, and have a yen to hear it again. I suppose I
> *could* search high and low for somewhere that stocks it and then wait
> a couple of weeks for it to be delivered. Or I could open Limewire
> and be listening to it 5 minutes later. It has nothing to do with
> money - it is the convenience. Give me a pay site with the same
> availability and instant download, and I'd use that instead.

If you haven't looked, you won't know. How hard is it to click a few
buttons to try and find out? The truth is, you really don't care, and would
rather have the tracks for free, regardless of what effect that has in the
wider world. That's the real position, isn't it?


> I also download printed music. In that case however there are sites
> that have a good choice with decent search facillities where I can pay
> for a legitimate copy. So that's what I do.

Probably only because you haven't found anywhere to get it for free.


> I also download MIDI files. Potentially breaching the copyright of
> both the composer and the artist who created the MIDI interpretation
> (though the latter have invariably posted them for free downloading).
> Quite often I will use only one or two tracks from the MIDI file
> (usually the drum track), in order to play along to it on a music
> keyboard.
>
>>>>> There is the *beginnings* of such systems coming
>>>>> online, and maybe that's the best way for the music industry to go.
>
>>>>If the Motorhead (?) album is what you're thinking of, the industry is
>>>>strangely very coy about the results of that experiment.
>
>>> I was thinking of "itunes"
>
>>Have I got this right? You think itunes represents 'the beginnings of
>>such
>>systems'?
>
> It is a site where you can get an instant music download that you pay
> a small amount to own legitimately. I don't use it because I don't
> trust the software that must be installed before you can use it.

How very convenient, despite the fact that millions of others use it.

Can you always convince yourself so easily to act illegally?