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Subject: Re: Ken's Secret C-charge for the M25 Posted on: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:23:23 +0000

johannes wrote:
>
> Nick wrote:
>> Johannes Andersen wrote:
>>> Nick wrote:
>>>> Mark Hewitt wrote:
>>>>> "need help" wrote in message
>>>>> news:022ce4a2$0$24192$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>>> According to tonights Evening standard, TFL will propose extending the
>>>>>> Congestion Charge to the M25, it is not clear it means within or on the
>>>>>> M25, do the TFL have any leway with the M25 ?
>>>>> It's not like you have much choice in using the M25 if you want to go from
>>>>> the majority of the UK to Kent or the channel ports.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What has choice got to do with it. If I want to eat I have to buy food,
>>>> you pay vat on food.
>>>>
>>>> Road charging to manage congestion seems like a sensible thing to do. I
>>>> would object to the overall tax burden being raised but I would not
>>>> object to congestion charging being used as a tax raising technique.
>>> I drive to work on M25 at 7am, there is no other transport in the direction
>>> that I need. I conjecture that 99.99% of traffic at that time is work related
>>> and commercial. Unlikely that a reduction of traffic is possible unless you
>>> want me to go on the dole instead of all the nice Tax money I pay???
>> You appear to making two points. Firstly congestion charging is still a
>> broad brush which does not always hit the right travellers so we have to
>> consider its effect in general.
>>
>> Secondly the travel may be work related, but much of it will be non
>> essential and could be routed at different times of the day or via
>> different routes. Congestion already forces many people to consider when
>> and how they travel.
>
> This is absolutely nonsense. Do you really think that people who travel
> early in the morning have other choices?

Yes, I don't drive to work.

> I happen to come in early to beat
> the queues on the slip roads. It you introduce congestion charge, that choice
> will no longer be there.

Why not? Because there won't be queues?

> And why should I have pay even more taxes for the
> privilege supporting the Chancellor with already hefty Taxes for fuel and
> all the other taxes VAT etc. etc. etc...

This is not about the overall level of taxation. It is about a specific
tax. I would like to see less tax on salary.


> The road system is infrastructure!
> But with road charges its no longer worth the effort of getting up in the
> morning. That's really what you want innit? In that case I will be off to
> another country to ply my skills.

Do you pay PAYE, NI, VAT etc. Why is congestion charging worse?