On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:13:43 GMT, Rob
wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:54:41 +0100, abelard
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:50:23 +0000, judithsmith@live.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:10:31 +0100, abelard
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:34:29 +0000, judithsmith@live.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:00:00 +0100, abelard
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:58:35 +0000, judithsmith@live.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:42 +0100, abelard
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:12:11 +0000, Cynic
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 20 Mar 2008 18:30:48 GMT, Ar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A schools minister was yesterday heckled by teachers after he backed
>>>>>>>>>>> larger class sizes and suggested that it could be "perfectly acceptable"
>>>>>>>>>>> to teach maths to pupils in classes of up to 70.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>At university you have sizes of 160 students.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apples and oranges. Students get lectured to rather than taught, with
>>>>>>>>>an extremely small amount of interaction, except when practical skills
>>>>>>>>>are involved (where classes are much smaller). Teaching is very much
>>>>>>>>>an interactive process, ideally between the teacher and every single
>>>>>>>>>pupil in the class. A lecture is pretty much fixed, whilst a lesson
>>>>>>>>>is adapted as it progresses depending on pupil feedback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a good teacher can easily take on 100 pupils with a couple of
>>>>>>>> adequate assistants.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wonder why Public Schools aim to have a class size of 15 to 20.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>because unions control the schools....
>>>>
>>>>>Oh - I assume you mean that they control the Public Schools - but not
>>>>>the State Schools as they have not achieved this wish of small sizes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't remember -
>>>>
>>>>of course you really mean you don't know
>>>>
>>>>>did the Unions organise strikes at the Public
>>>>>Schools in order to achieve their "control" over the class size.
>>>>
>>>>you're confusing what can be done with what people choose to do
>>>>
>>>>there's a large range of class sizes in public (ie private) schools...
>>>>even in an age range there are large variations within....
>>>> eg some classes may be 10 or 20 for maths while sports classes
>>>> can be 50+
>>>>
>>>>the great difference with private schools is the parents pay...so the
>>>> parents choose...
>>>>
>>>>it is a mistake to think all private schools are eton or winchester...
>>>> some private schools are not impressive....little private
>>>> operations for the local snobocracy....
>>>>some are not good!
>>>>
>>>>it is common to have lectures at secondary level.....
>>>>it is common to have children from rich waster families with 16/18
>>>> year olds where young adults arrive in cars and slob around...
>>>> with only a few interested in learning....sometimes/often
>>>> including some forriners who add to the coffers....
>>>>
>>>>a major reason for people using the private sector is to avoid
>>>> yobbery....though that can be found in places...
>>>>
>>>>some private schools encourage independence....some do not..
>>>>some are fed by forces overseas....the schools tend to carve out
>>>> niches....
>>>>
>>>>some send 'their' charges with the hope of them 'making contacts'
>>>> ....some are academic hothouses....some are more interested in
>>>> harmless oafs
>>>>
>>>>in general teachers don't strike....they move or get sacked...
>>>> so do heads....
>>>> as stated above, the parents pay and the parents choose...some
>>>> are quite capable of giving ultimatums like get rid of this or that
>>>> teacher or even head....
>>>> these schools don't like to see parents taking people away as it
>>>> effects their income and reputation...
>>>>the fact that heads are not sacked is a very major failure of the
>>>> state cartel....
>>>>
>>>>as everywhere mostly you get what you pay for....some just what
>>>> to say 'my child goes to a private school'...they're not
>>>> necessarily looking for better education...
>>>>feckless and dull parents are not limited to the government cartel
>>>
>>>bugger me - did I unleash all that ??????
>>>
>>>You still haven't explained how the unions controlled the size of the
>>>classes in Public Schools - which is what you said.
>>
>>it's less work
>
>???
>
>Judith was refering to Public schools...not public...
i always get confused when you call private schools public....
even your public schools ain't public...they belong to the government
>I know you have
>no regard for capital letters but they do have significance to us mere
>mortals.
>Now answer the question "How did the unions manage to reduce the class
>size in Public schools to about 20"... or admit you cocked-up due to
>your usual cursary look at posts and/orcomprehension problems.
they don't control the class sizes in private schools....
in the private sector, market forces mediate the class sizes...among
many other matters....
that was why i gave a longer reply...
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