On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:47:07 -0000, "Ivan"
wrote:
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>"Alang" wrote in message
>news:k1rau3dj0sb6t5qv0gjb34fpmr9qh184tc@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:06:08 -0000, "Ivan"
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>>"Roger Dewhurst" wrote in message
>>>news:fs3ohq$olu$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>> abelard wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:25:10 +0000, Alang
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:03:53 -0000, "Ivan"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:253c6c5c-30d0-4080-b4c1-01269a3e8def@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On 22 Mar, 12:12, "Ivan" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I grew up in a pretty rough postwar inner city area and attended a
>>>>>>>>> boys only
>>>>>>>>> Secondary Modern school which was staffed by mainly (Welsh)
>>>>>>>>> ex-military type
>>>>>>>>> teachers who maintained an iron discipline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes your perfect classroom world chucked out such
>>>>>>>> delights as the Krays and Myra Hindley.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take you nostalgic rose coloured specs off.
>>>>>>> LOL and of course in the last 50 odd years things have got oh so much
>>>>>>> better! and besides nowhere did I say life back then was perfect,
>>>>>>> however I don't think I'm in a minority in believing that since
>>>>>>> discipline was totally abandoned in favour of the soft options
>>>>>>> approach
>>>>>>> things in our schools haven't exactly improved, I mean can you name
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> school in the UK back then which had to install metal detectors to
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> out if kids were carrying guns or knives?
>>>>>> In those days it was quite okay to have a knife in your pocket. The
>>>>>> kids hadn't been brainwashed into thinking the only use for a knife
>>>>>> was a weapon. Indeed the boy scout motto was 'be prepared' and every
>>>>>> scout usually carried a pocket knife with a blade and a spike for
>>>>>> taking the stones out of the hoof of any disabled horse he came
>>>>>> across. I don't think there was a single boy at my secondary school
>>>>>> who didn't have a pocket knife. I never heard of one being used as a
>>>>>> weapon either. Chairs or school desks maybe but never a knife.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, that's all very well....but did you ever hear of one of them
>>>>> taking a stone out of the hoof of a disabled horse...?
>>>>> probably they didn't know what the knife was due to lack of
>>>>> education and initiative
>>>>
>>>> Actually the spike in a scout knife is a small marlin spike for use on
>>>> rope!
>>>>
>>>> But yes, in those days all schoolboys had knives which they used for
>>>> sharpening pencils, cutting holes in school desks, cutting hazel forks
>>>> to
>>>> make catapults and cutting their fingers from time to time. Cutting
>>>> other
>>>> children with them was unknown. My father gave me a penknife in 1940
>>>> when
>>>> I was six. I still have it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I was in the boy scouts and had a really wicked looking sheath knife on my
>>>belt.. IIRC wasn't that part of the boyscout uniform?
>>>
>> nope.
>> we had jack knives hanging off the metal bits on the belts
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>"and as part of the Uniform"
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>"10. KNIVES.
>10.1 Sheath Knives, must not be worn in public places, other than at Camp
>and as part of the Uniform."
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We didn't have any of that 50 years ago. |