Mike_B wrote:
> In message <64pjloF2cgppfU1@mid.individual.net>, joe
> writes
> > Alex Heney wrote:
> >
> > > On 23 Mar 2008 17:34:48 GMT, "joe"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >>> Cynic wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> > Please try not to be so stupidly arrogant. Very many low
> earners >>in >> > the socially divisive Britain brought about through
> almost >>eleven >> > years of Blairism DO NOT GET A CHOICE!
> > > > >
> >>>> Of course they do. Every legal resident of the UK is able to
> get a >>>> bank account of some description. If they do not have
> one, that is >>>> their choice.
> > > >
> >>> http://www.moneymadeclear.fsa.gov.uk/pdfs/bank_accounts.pdf
> > > >
> >>> The Co-op offer basic accounts (Cashminder) to everyone except
> those >>> with info on their credit file about fraud. They offer a
> debit card >>> (can be used for online shopping), you can set up
> direct debits on >>> the account & get your salary paid into it.
> > >
> > > Which still isn't everyone.
> > >
> > > It is almost everyone. I am quite sure that MM's claim that "very
> > > many" people can't get one is wrong (depending of course on your
> > > definition of "very many"), but I am certain there are a
> > > significant number who can't.
> >
> > I am perfectly ok with that, I am aware it is not everyone, but the
> > claim, if you remember, was 1 in 12 of all households, which is
> > obviously not true. 1 in 12 of very low income household, is the
> > claim now being made.
> > Not one person has claimed the number to be 0, just not the 1 in 12.
> > It is the way of usenet, to try to narrow arguments into splinters
> > to prove a point, (IYKWIM) The point under discussion was 1 in 12
> > of all households, and has turned into a very low number of people
> > cannot get an account because they have bad debt problems,
> > bankrupts, or they have been convicted of fraud, or they have no
> > home. I am ok with that assertion.
>
> The statistics for people without bank accounts were not assertions
> of people on this group, nor was the survey limited to the lower
> social groups and therefore haven't changed by anything that has been
> said on this group. It hasn't turned into "a very low number" at all,
> even within those groups you mention, and even then they are examples
> of groups who have trouble opening accounts which does not constitute
> everybody without an account..
Outdated statistics. The new statistics show, we were correct to
disbelieve the 1 in 12 claim.
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