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Subject: Re: Arthur C Clarke Posted on: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:57:52 +0000

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:35:51 GMT, Mike_B
wrote:

>In message
><88801bbf-6552-4e3e-846c-3782718a4f04@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>Holly writes

>>pervert (v.)
>>c.1300 (trans.), "to turn someone aside from a right religious belief
>>to a false or erroneous one," from O.Fr. pervertir, from L. pervertere
>>"corrupt, turn the wrong way, turn about," from per- "away" + vertere
>>"to turn" (see versus). The noun is 1661, from the verb. Replaced
>>native froward, which embodies the same image. The noun is attested
>>from 1661, "one who has forsaken a doctrine or system regarded as
>>true, apostate;" psychological sense of "one who has a perversion of
>>the .ual instinct" is attested from 1897 (Havelock Ellis),
>>originally esp. of homo.uals. Perv, short for .ual pervert (n.),
>>is first recorded 1944.
>>perverse
>>c.1369, "wicked," from O.Fr. pervers, from L. perversus "turned away
>>(from what is right), contrary, askew," pp. of pervertere "to
>>corrupt" (see pervert). The L. word is glossed in O.E. by forcerred,
>>from p.p. of forcyrran "to avoid," from cierran "to turn, return."
>>Meaning "wrong, not in accord with what is accepted" is from c.1568;
>>sense of "obstinate, stubborn" is from 1579. It keeps the non-.ual
>>senses of pervert (v.) and allows the psychological ones to go with
>>perverted.
>>
>>"Perversions are defined as unnatural acts, acts contrary to nature,
>>bestial, abominable, and detestable. Such laws are interpretable only
>>in accordance with the ancient tradition of the English common law
>>which ... is committed to the doctrine that no .ual activity is
>>justifiable unless its objective is procreation." [A.C. Kinsey,
>>et.al., ".ual Behavior in the Human Male," 1948]

In the light of this it's a little odd that there have never been any
restrictions on women above childbearing age marrying in the C of E:
in fact there is a specific reference in the marriage ceremony dealing
with them.

>Thanks Holly. So we are all perverts if we have . without intending
>procreation. That's really helpful I'm sure.

These things change from time to time. My 1972 Chambers Dictionary
describes fellatio as a perversion, but cunnilingus not.

--
Max Demian