Steve Walker wrote:
> Jon Thomas wrote:
>> Steve Walker wrote:
>>> Jon Thomas wrote:
>>>> Steve Walker wrote:
>>>>> Jon Thomas wrote:
>>>>> It isn't uncommon for paedo-advocates to claim association with the
>>>>> gay rights movement -
>>>> What is not uncommon is for them to claim the same
>>>> rights as any other .ual minority - the right not to be
>>>> harrassed for their .ual orientation, and the right not
>>>> to have to put up with ignorant comments that they all
>>>> do this, or they all always do that, being among them.
>>> Oh, I agree entirely. Look at the terrible public attitude towards
>>> rapists, for example...
>> But is the public saying that all men are rapists? Is it
>> agreed that because some of them . women, men
>> as a whole lack the mental acuity to grasp the concept
>> of consent?
> No, I think that the public has a pretty good grasp of consent. Someone
> who forces himself upon a woman is reviled as a rapist, whilst another man
> who performs the same physical acts by meaningful consent is considered
> blameless. Between these, there is a grey area surrounding 'date .'
> and intoxication, where the substance of the consent is more debatable and
> public condemnation tends to be little more muted.
> I'd say the same principles apply to public morality towards pedalos.
> There is sympathy for any young man who finds his girlfriend is actually
> only 15 3/4 yrs old, and there is considerable tolerance for 'jailbait'
> fashions (eg Britney videos, RyanAir adverts etc) involving teenage girls.
> This appears less applicable to gay .uality however, eg Jonathan King's
> prosecution versus John Peel's beatification. OTOH, revulsion towards those
> who molest younger children seems undiminished - if there simply cannot have
> been informed consent, then it cannot be regarded as tolerable.
What you say is true (though what pedalos have to do
with it isn't clear to me), but you're avoiding the point.
Plainly, it's just as sloppy thinking to claim that paedo-
philes don't understand the phrase "informed consent"
as it is to claim that men don't understand the concept
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