Special.Care03@googlemail.com wrote:
> On 25 Mar, 17:40, "Janitor of Lunacy" wrote:
>>> If Gregg v. O'Gara is establishing in law the precedent that we have
>>> no legal right to say a man has been wrongly convicted, because it
>>> automatically implies that someone is (a) incompetent or (b) corrupt,
>>> then we have entered dangerous legal and societal territory in terms
>>> of the implications for civil liberties in this country.
>> It is not establishing any such thing. First-instance decisions very rarely
>> create precedent, and then only persuasively. This decision binds no other
>> court.
>
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>
> But it gags us all because it signals to all of us that if we oppose a
> miscarriage of justice in the future, we risk a libel suit and a
> massive bill for costs which very few can absorb.
>
> (I typed the following before coming on line:)
> Do people not understand what we are sleepwalking into if the juryless
> Gregg v. O'Gara judgment is not successfully appealed and reversed?
>
> In England, the euphemism for a 'stitch up' is 'miscarriage of
> justice.'
>
> To rectify a miscarriage of justice, you have to state that a citizen
> has been wrongly convicted, which automatically implies that one or
> more of those responsible for the conviction is either incompetent or
> corrupt. Given that you have to imply it, it's more effective to
> simply say it directly.
>
> To take an example, one of the most evil 'miscarriages of justice' in
> England was the Stefan Kiszko affair. To obtain Stefan's eventual
> release, obviously it was necessary to state that Dick Holland was a
> liar, that Dick Holland was corrupt, that Dick Holland deliberately
> and consciously concealed evidence that would have exonerated Stefan
> at the time of his trial. Just to complete the picture, it is a true
> statement of fact that Dick Holland was a murderer, and everybody
> knows it, because we can safely say that Dick Holland's sneaky,
> corrupt actions caused the premature deaths of Stefan and his Mum. And
> that's even before we mention Dick Holland's role in the Yorkshire
> Ripper cover up, which means Dick Holland shares the responsibility
> for the murders of women committed by the Yorkshire Ripper in the
> years following the phoney Peter Sutcliffe trial.
>
> The point is - we were never going to get Stefan out of jail without
> stating in quite direct language that Dick Holland is a liar, Dick
> Holland is corrupt, etc.
>
> Can you see where this is taking us?
>
> If the Gregg v. O'Gara juryless judgment is not successfully appealed
> and reversed, WE CAN NO LONGER OPPOSE MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE IN THIS
> COUNTRY IN ANY EFFECTIVE MANNER.
>
> 'Precedent' or not, this judgment sends a dangerous signal to us all,
> to the effect that if we oppose a miscarriage of justice in the
> future, we risk bankruptcy by a crippling bill for legal costs in a
> libel suit by the person responsible for the miscarriage of justice.
>
> That a senior police officer has embarked on a course that is leading
> us all into this Orwellian nightmare, this disastrous contamination
> and degradation of the British justice system - is a bit surreal.
>
> Miscarriages of justice are a fact of life, to put it politely.
>
> HOW DO WE CORRECT MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE AND GET INNOCENT PEOPLE OUT
> OF JAIL WITHOUT SAYING THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR JAILING INNOCENT
> PEOPLE IS EITHER INCOMPETENT OR CORRUPT?
>
> And if we risk bankruptcy by saying that, what kind of a country are
> we living in?
>
> What Dick Holland did to Stefan in the past might easily be done to
> you in the future. It's the way the world works under present
> conditions.
> If you ever have the misfortune of being wrongfully jailed, do you
> really want your friends and supporters to be - effectively - gagged
> and banned from telling the truth about what has happened to you, for
> fear of being bankrupted if they speak the truth?
> Whoever you are, it is in your interest to ensure that the juryless
> Gregg v. O'Gara judgment is successfully appealed and reversed.
>
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My situation is similar only the stakes are smaller.
See " Seaniehunter " on youtube and the link to the 00server.
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