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Subject: Re: Greengrocer fined for recycling his vegetables Posted on: Sun, 04 May 2008 10:37:25 +0100

On Sun, 04 May 2008 06:39:18 GMT, Mike_B
wrote:

>In message <683lb6F2qtbm1U1@mid.individual.net>, Ophelia
> writes
>>
>>"Mike_B" wrote in message
>>news:+z3b90tIlFHIFwXp@localhosts.net...
>>> In message , Alang
>>> writes
>>>>On Sat, 03 May 2008 07:34:12 GMT, Mike_B
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>It's amazing how many people think, wrongly, that a FPN is a fine that
>>>>>must be paid.
>>>>
>>>>That is exactly what it is unless you decide to challenge it in court
>>>>just as you could with any other fine.
>>>
>>> No, this is exactly the misunderstanding that I was referring to. You
>>> wouldn't be in court challenging any other fine, because the fine only
>>> ever comes AFTER the court has found you guilty of something. All an FPN
>>> is, is an offer to deal with an alleged offence by way of paying a
>>> penalty. It is not a fine and if you don't wish to take up the offer, you
>>> don't have to do anything at all and you certainly don't have to challenge
>>> an FPN in court. If you choose not to take up the offer, the authorities
>>> then need to decide whether to charge you with the offence that they are
>>> alleging you carried out, and indeed whether they even have sufficient
>>> evidence to do so. I surely can be alone if thinking that this is a far
>>> cry from the FPN being a fine.
>>
>> This is true, and often, if they don't have a great deal of evidence, they
>>will drop it.
>>
>>
>
>Quite so. An FPN, in a nutshell, is just a legalised way of the
>council/safety camera partnership/whoever saying "We say you did
>something wrong, but if you bung us £75 we wont charge you with it".


In other words exactly like a fine except it is being levied by a
council rather than a court.

Magna Carta, didi she die in vain?

"38) No Bailiff, for the future, shall put any man to his law, upon
his own simple affirmation, without credible witnesses produced for
the purpose.

(39) No freeman shall be seized, or imprisoned, or dispossessed, or
outlawed, or in any way destroyed; nor will we condemn him, nor will
we commit him to prison, excepting by the legal judgement of his
peers, or by the laws of the land.

(40) To none will we sell, to none will we deny, to none will we delay
right or justice. "


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