"abelard" wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:17:11 +0100, "Lord Turkey Cough"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" wrote in message
>>news:sus624d5lhrss2f0qjkd9h5vgcdk5oibr2@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 22:42:05 +0100, "Lord Turkey Cough"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"abelard" wrote in message
>>>>news:k9s624h22t7itvdvuekdjmvofnf1li1cm4@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 21:40:00 +0100, James Hammerton
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>>>>>> Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
>>>>>>>> "James Hammerton" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:68h136F2stlmsU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> Yet more guilt by accusation in Britain. From the BBC
>>>>>>>>> (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7389547.stm):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "To critics it sounds like a scenario from some Orwellian
>>>>>>>>> nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An online database of workers accused of theft and dishonesty,
>>>>>>>>> regardless of whether they have been convicted of any crime,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> bosses can access when vetting potential employees.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But this is no dystopian fantasy. Later this month, the
>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>> Staff Dismissal Register (NSDR) is expected to go live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Organisers say that major companies including Harrods,
>>>>>>>>> Selfridges
>>>>>>>>> and Reed Managed Services have already signed up to the
>>>>>>>>> scheme.
>>>>>>>>> By
>>>>>>>>> the end of May they will be able to check whether candidates
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> jobs have faced allegations of stealing, forgery, fraud,
>>>>>>>>> damaging
>>>>>>>>> company property or causing a loss to their employers and
>>>>>>>>> suppliers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Workers sacked for these offences will be included on the
>>>>>>>>> register,
>>>>>>>>> regardless of whether police had enough evidence to convict
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>> Also on the list will be employees who resigned before they
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> face disciplinary proceedings at work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note the vague "causing loss to their employers" bit of this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And who's behind this? The AABC, a group set up under a
>>>>>>>>> partnership
>>>>>>>>> between the Home Office and the British Retail Consortium (i.e. a
>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>> of corporate statism):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The register is an initiative of Action Against Business Crime
>>>>>>>>> (AABC), which was established as a joint venture between the
>>>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>>>> Office and the British Retail Consortium "to set up and
>>>>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>>>> business crime reduction partnerships".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To be fair to the Home Office they say they stopped funding the
>>>>>>>>> AABC
>>>>>>>>> this year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder whether AABC could be sued for libel by someone wrongly
>>>>>>>>> accused via this database?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems to be punishment without trial, which is forbidden by the
>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>> rights act.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes it does appear to be libelous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mind you so many business these days are run by criminals that
>>>>>>>> they might very the the fact that you are percieved to be a
>>>>>>>> criminal
>>>>>>>> as a positive attribute, someone who would fit in well with the
>>>>>>>> crooks
>>>>>>>> already working there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what of the Data Protection Act?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good question! Do employers have the right to pass on unproven
>>>>>>allegations against their employees to other employers without the
>>>>>>consent of the employees concerned?
>>>>>
>>>>> while this is (and has been) standard for many years....
>>>>>
>>>>> 'they' have various ways of dealing with (getting around) this
>>>>> by always 'phoning up (or meeting) for confirmation of any
>>>>> written reference...
>>>>> and by 'damning with faint praise'....
>>>>> in 'professions' they widely keep black lists.....
>>>>
>>>>Best keep them very carefully because if you get caught with such
>>>>a list you will have a hell of a lot of people sueing you!
>>>
>>> of course...but the sort of people who keep these lists,
>>> do not tend to hand them around.....
>>> plenty can even be kept in the head and gossiped around
>>> among peers at soirées...
>>
>>'Peers' are often competetors in the real world, they won't
>>want their best workers working for the competition and often
>>put clauses in contracts to try and stop this happening.
>>Information at soirees is likley to be disinformation.
>
> there is theory....and there is the real world....
>
> one element of black lists is prejudice and revenge....
Staying in business tends to overide such matters when the bank is
on your back. The last thing you want is a trusted employee working for
a competor.
"Oh..I would not say he is lazy...."
>
> what do you think about mister turkey....
> would you take him back for christmas.....
>
> is he the sort of person you could recommend to look after my children
> well, i really can't say....
>
> etc etc....
> the human is a very creative and tricky monkey
>
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