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Subject: Re: => Top Secret U$ Torture Memo Leaked ! <= whoooop! there it is! Posted on: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:12:52 GMT


"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
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> PLMerite wrote:
>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>> news:6eskndF8opieU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> PLMerite wrote:
>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>>>> news:6es8u2F8m8r2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if the US would consider it torture if AQ captured some US
>>>>> citizens and then waterboarded them on video posted to the Net?
>>>>
>>>> Generally what AQ does now is cut their heads off and post the video to
>>>> the net.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a little question for you:
>>>>
>>>> AQ has planted a dirty bomb, maybe upwind from your kid's school.
>>>> Agents of your government have captured one of the terrs who knows
>>>> where the bomb is located, but he's not talking.
>>>>
>>>> How much cake and ice cream will it take to get him to cooperate?
>>> Here's another for you.
>>> AQ has planted a small bomb somewhere, or probably plan to.
>>> You have rounded up all the suspects and their friends, family and
>>> contacts. How many do you have to torture for how long before you get
>>> some useful information?
>>
>>
>> Start with the leader of the cell. He should crack under waterboarding
>> after a few minutes.
>>
>> How much cake and ice cream = 1 minute of waterboarding?
>>
>
> That rather assumes you know who the leader is.


Yes, it does. Nobody's advocating torturing innocent people.


> But torturing a whole bunch of people will get you loads of names for the
> next round of torture.


So, what was your answer to *my* question:

AQ has planted a dirty bomb, maybe upwind from your kid's school.

Agents of your government have captured one of the terrs who knows where the
bomb is located, but he's not talking.

Not some random person of the right ethnicity or religion, positively one of
the plotters. He, his car, his flat, all have residue from making the dirty
bomb.

It's going to explode in about an hour, somewhere in a crowded,
traffic-jammed city where *your* family lives. If you don't get the
information *he* has, innocent people are going to die, probably people you
care about.

He sits there and laughs at you.

What do you do?


Regards, PLMerite