PLMerite wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
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>> PLMerite wrote:
>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>>> news:6eskndF8opieU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> PLMerite wrote:
>>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>>>>> news:6es8u2F8m8r2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if the US would consider it torture if AQ captured some US
>>>>>> citizens and then waterboarded them on video posted to the Net?
>>>>> Generally what AQ does now is cut their heads off and post the video to
>>>>> the net.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a little question for you:
>>>>>
>>>>> AQ has planted a dirty bomb, maybe upwind from your kid's school.
>>>>> Agents of your government have captured one of the terrs who knows
>>>>> where the bomb is located, but he's not talking.
>>>>>
>>>>> How much cake and ice cream will it take to get him to cooperate?
>>>> Here's another for you.
>>>> AQ has planted a small bomb somewhere, or probably plan to.
>>>> You have rounded up all the suspects and their friends, family and
>>>> contacts. How many do you have to torture for how long before you get
>>>> some useful information?
>>>
>>> Start with the leader of the cell. He should crack under waterboarding
>>> after a few minutes.
>>>
>>> How much cake and ice cream = 1 minute of waterboarding?
>>>
>> That rather assumes you know who the leader is.
>
>
> Yes, it does. Nobody's advocating torturing innocent people.
>
>
>> But torturing a whole bunch of people will get you loads of names for the
>> next round of torture.
>
>
> So, what was your answer to *my* question:
>
> AQ has planted a dirty bomb, maybe upwind from your kid's school.
>
> Agents of your government have captured one of the terrs who knows where the
> bomb is located, but he's not talking.
>
> Not some random person of the right ethnicity or religion, positively one of
> the plotters. He, his car, his flat, all have residue from making the dirty
> bomb.
>
> It's going to explode in about an hour, somewhere in a crowded,
> traffic-jammed city where *your* family lives. If you don't get the
> information *he* has, innocent people are going to die, probably people you
> care about.
>
> He sits there and laughs at you.
>
> What do you do?
You ask for a volunteer to torture the guy.
Afterwards, the volunteer (as well as yourself) gets a long stretch in
prison.
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