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Subject: Re: => Top Secret U$ Torture Memo Leaked ! <= whoooop! there it is! Posted on: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:45:10 GMT


"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
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> PLMerite wrote:
>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>> news:6esmh5F8o0asU3@mid.individual.net...
>>> PLMerite wrote:
>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>>>> news:6eskndF8opieU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> PLMerite wrote:
>>>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:6es8u2F8m8r2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if the US would consider it torture if AQ captured some US
>>>>>>> citizens and then waterboarded them on video posted to the Net?
>>>>>> Generally what AQ does now is cut their heads off and post the video
>>>>>> to the net.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a little question for you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AQ has planted a dirty bomb, maybe upwind from your kid's school.
>>>>>> Agents of your government have captured one of the terrs who knows
>>>>>> where the bomb is located, but he's not talking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much cake and ice cream will it take to get him to cooperate?
>>>>> Here's another for you.
>>>>> AQ has planted a small bomb somewhere, or probably plan to.
>>>>> You have rounded up all the suspects and their friends, family and
>>>>> contacts. How many do you have to torture for how long before you get
>>>>> some useful information?
>>>>
>>>> Start with the leader of the cell. He should crack under waterboarding
>>>> after a few minutes.
>>>>
>>>> How much cake and ice cream = 1 minute of waterboarding?
>>>>
>>> That rather assumes you know who the leader is.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it does. Nobody's advocating torturing innocent people.
>>
>>
>>> But torturing a whole bunch of people will get you loads of names for
>>> the next round of torture.
>>
>>
>> So, what was your answer to *my* question:
>>
>> AQ has planted a dirty bomb, maybe upwind from your kid's school.
>>
>> Agents of your government have captured one of the terrs who knows where
>> the
>> bomb is located, but he's not talking.
>>
>> Not some random person of the right ethnicity or religion, positively one
>> of the plotters. He, his car, his flat, all have residue from making the
>> dirty bomb.
>>
>> It's going to explode in about an hour, somewhere in a crowded,
>> traffic-jammed city where *your* family lives. If you don't get the
>> information *he* has, innocent people are going to die, probably people
>> you care about.
>>
>> He sits there and laughs at you.
>>
>> What do you do?
>
> You ask for a volunteer to torture the guy.
> Afterwards, the volunteer (as well as yourself) gets a long stretch in
> prison.


Another non-answer.


Thanks for playing.


Regards, PLMerite


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