On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:35:25 -0000, "Ret." wrote:
>Alang wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:39:08 -0000, "Ret." wrote:
>>
>>> Alang wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:55:22 -0000, "Ret." wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alang wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:03:30 -0000, "Ret." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alang wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:17:41 -0000, "Ret." wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alang wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The criminal doesn't care about guns being illegal. That's why
>>>>>>>> law abiding people get murdered by criminals with guns.
>>>>>>>> Something that rarely happened before the government
>>>>>>>> criminalised the carrying of weapons of self defence and the
>>>>>>>> ownership of guns for same
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll leave the illusions to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You still don't get it do you? *Some* criminals in the UK own
>>>>>>> guns and very very occasionally an innocent person is shot (more
>>>>>>> usually it's a fellow drug dealer, so no great loss) - but
>>>>>>> compared to the US, the number of people who die from gunshots
>>>>>>> is incredibly low. If you increase the number of guns in
>>>>>>> circulation then, without a shadow of a doubt, you will also
>>>>>>> increase the number of people who will die from accidental
>>>>>>> shootings, anger shootings, crime shootings, etc. It's an
>>>>>>> absolute certainty Alan - and if you cannot see that then you
>>>>>>> are a fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> USofA. Country made up of over 50 self governing states
>>>>>> No comparison with UK except a mutually mangled language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone trying to draw conclusions from supposed similarities is a
>>>>>> complete idiot
>>>>>
>>>>> What is it about UK citizens that you believe would make them any
>>>>> more responsible in the use of widely available firearms than
>>>>> American citizens?
>>>>
>>>> Which american citizens? There are over 300 million of them in over
>>>> 50 states all having different laws.
>>>
>>> The American citizens that are slaughtering their fellow citizens at
>>> astounding rates:
>>>
>>> Children and Gun Violence
>>> In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in
>>> the United States, according to the latest national data released in
>>> 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day;
>>> and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to
>>> 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm
>>> injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health
>>> Statistics)
>>>
>>> America and Gun Violence
>>> American children are more at risk from firearms than the children
>>> of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no
>>> children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in
>>> France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for
>>> Disease Control)
>>>
>>> Now why do you believe that the situation would be any different in
>>> the UK if we adopted similar gun laws?
>>>
>> I ask again.
>> Which citizens in which states?
>
>What difference does it make?:
The states in USofA all have different laws. The fact they speak
english is about the only resemblance to the UK.
>
>"Furthermore, state gun laws had only a limited effect on firearm-related
>homicide deaths. Although the current study cannot determine causation,
>firearm mortality in its various forms is most commonly related to the
>prevalence of firearms and the percent of the population that is African
>American."
>
>So the only factor that might make a difference between the States and here
>is the number of blacks in the population. The prevalance of firearms is
>still the major issue.
>
>Here is another web-page that makes for horrifying reading:
>
>http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm
Hysteria
>
>Are you prepared to risk our current state of affairs for what might happen
>if we move to wider gun ownership?
>
>Ret.
>
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